GSU changing their offense??????

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GSU changing their offense??????

Postby BestOfBreed on Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:49 am

Rumors on the web have them offering the offensive line coach the newly created tight ends coaching position. Slotbacks coach is now the running backs coach with the slotbacks coaching position being done away with entirely. Pure speculation at this point until something concrete comes out. Could be good news for the Terriers though.
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Postby Terriertime on Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:21 pm

My sources (kids on their team) tell me the same thing. Also, heard VanGorder hired a GA from Georgia. Word is, they're going to use UGA's offense. I think this is great news for us in the short-term (until they get their personell in there). I just wish we were playing them early instead of late, like this year. I think playing Furman and App-State early will be a huge advantage for our much more veteran team in 2006.
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Postby ButlerGSU on Sat Dec 24, 2005 5:16 pm

I doubt that is true. In 2005 we only threw 10% of the time. I look for that to improve to 25-35% in 2006. We will still be a ground team but will mix it up more often. BVG did not come to Statesboro to lose.
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Postby PX on Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:42 pm

If anyone tells you for sure what offense GSU will wind up with next season they have a great imagination.

NOBODY knows what the end result will wind us as for the GSU Eagle offense next year. I doubt very seriously that even Coach VanGorder knows himself at this point.

Consider:

All of the present athletes in the GSU football program were recruited specifically for the spread (triple option). You simply cannot change one offense to another in total without having a season or two of re-adjustment, thereby a season or two of LOSING....

The mindset of the spoiled GSU fan/booster is such that a season or two of losing is simply not acceptable.

The spread (t/o) IS GSU footall tradition, just as surely as 6 flags fly in Paulson. The vast majority of fans/boosters equate GSU football success with the triple option, and woe be unto any coach who messes with the past succes of the 3/O and is NOT successful. Immediately.......


What I "think" will happen:

Coach VanGorder is a defensive specialist.. His coaching skill in this area will bode well for the GSU defense next year. I think conditioning will improve greatly, and we will see a much improved defense next season, one of our achilles heels this past season.

Apparently we have another q/b in the wings who is both bigger and a better passer than Jayson Foster. I think we will see him with JF moved to another position where he can still get the ball a lot and do his magic with it. I think we will also see more passing as compared to last year. Another achilles heel was having an almost non-existant passing attack this past season.

I think individual player personal discipline will be greatly improved. I hope Coach VanGorder has a zero tolerance for stupid, STUPID mistakes. I'm not talking about agressive football, I'm talking about loss of personal control, getting personal fouls and not having to pay the price for doing so.

Coach VanGorder is a WINNER. He was hired, and is being paid big bucks to be a WINNER. I think he is smart enough to make whatever changes he can within the frame of athetic skills he has in the GSU arsenal, yet still win..

This past season we were basically a double-option, no passing, poor defense, poor personal disciplined football team. Our play calling, especially in critical parts of the game was unimaginative, tentative, and we went into a "play not to lose" as oppose to "play to win" very quickly.

My personal opinion regarding next seasons GSU Eagles is:

A difference in the triple option/spread to incorporate more passing attack, and return to a true three part (maybe more?) offense. I think we will have a greatly improved defense, and fewer dumb personal fouls. I think our players will be better conditioned and won't wilt early in games such as they did often this past season.

I have great expectations for next season. The past 2 seasons in particular have been depressing to the "faithful", and I think the Coaching change was a wonderful decision, and we were dang lucky to get Coach VanGorder....

On the TSC forum all you read about is "doom & gloom".. I think just the opposite. I think we will be a greatly improved football team, and for the first time since I've been watching GSU football I won't have to watch the weather channel before each game praying for a dry field.

Coach VanGorder did not become the head Coach at GSU to ruin his potential for a head coach job in pro football. He is coming here to rebuild our program into a powerhouse, win a National Championship or two in the process, then depart for greener fields in professional football.

I "think" that's probably HIS plan, and it's certainly good enough for me.

I can't wait.

Best Wishes, and Happy New Year :D

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Postby Eyes of Old Main on Mon Dec 26, 2005 8:08 pm

I am not disputing anything that has been said, and I agree with most of it based on what I know about the situation. But, the question that constantly keeps coming to my mind is, "How realistic are the expectations of the GSU fan base?"

I realize that Wofford has not enjoyed the kind of success GSU has either in terms of championships or longevity and I am not trying to compare the two on any level. I just wonder whether expecting to win a conference championship every season and make it to at least the semifinals of the playoffs is realistic anymore?

Sure, GSU did that during much of the 1990's, but is the reason they have not done it in recent seasons more about the loss of Paul Johnson and introduction of Mike Sewak, or more about the increased competitive balance both within the SoCon and across all of I-AA football? Sewak didn't win the playoff games his predecessors did, but were any of the losses to bad teams? I don't think so.

Fact is, I-AA, and all of college football was not as competitive 20 or even 10 years ago. I seriously doubt that their would be 6 flags in Paulson if those teams played each season from 2000 to 2005. We know they would have won one (2000) but it would be hard for anyone to objectively justify that those teams from the 1980's and early 1990's would have all faired as well against some of the more recent playoff participants.

Sure, a conference title is everyone's goal, but most realistically know that some years are going to be rebuilding years or years where "we'll have a shot at an at-large playoff bid". Goals are motivational tools, expectations tend to be tempered with excess pride, and unrealistic expecations can be streaked with arrogance.

Here again, do not take any of this as a slam at GSU's program or at its fans. Also, these observations are made with no intention to make any comparisons, either favorable or not, against Wofford or any other specific team. My only question is whether the success of the 1980's and 1990's set expectations at a unrealistic and unattainable level under the present conditions? Maybe I'm off on this, so I will stand to be corrected. But, don't flame me by saying "I just don't understand".
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Postby PX on Mon Dec 26, 2005 8:52 pm

Eyes of Old Main:

You could be 100% correct in your observations..

I don't know that being "realistic" plays into the thought processes of the majority of GSU Eagle fans/boosters. Arrogance is certainly an expression that can be used when speaking of the GSU faithful.

I can agree with you that the competition in 1AA has seriously improved across the board. But, even with that fact I think you must admit that at the end of each regular season you will find the GSU Eagles hanging around the playoff picture someplace.

Regardless of the practicality of expecting the GSU Eagles to win another Championship in the foreseeable future it's just something we expect. We expect to always be in the playoffs, and getting whipped in the first round is not something we accept happily. What constitutes a winning season at some schools does not represent the same thing in Statesboro.

I'm not trying to say our expectations are practical or reasonable, or logical or any other word you might choose to use. I'm just saying it's the way we think..

Thats why Coach Sewak & staff have "for sale" signs in their yards. That's why GSU hired a new Coach with a history of winning, paid him handsomely, and if he doesn't produce he will be history in a few short seasons. We don't expect the Eagles to be average, mediocre, or OK.. We expect them to be winners.

I could be so far out in left field in my expectations that I can't even find the gate, but I don't think so.

Betcha all of 1AA will be keeping eyes on the GSU Eagle football team when the first game of the year rolls around. Nobody knows what changes in the offense will be, but you can bet the GSU Eagles will bring something better to the table than we did this past year.

As for flaming.. I'm an old fart, retired,with too much time on my hands. I realize that we get too cranked up about football anyway as it's just a game played by young athletes trying to get a college education. I try not to get too excited or offensive, and if it doesn't involve me dribbling down my britches leg, or running out of fiber I'm generally a pretty happy camper.

Thank you for reading my original post and for expressing your thoughts on my ideas.

Best Wishes, :D

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Postby Eyes of Old Main on Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:50 pm

JP,

Thanks for the reply. I agree that all of I-AA will be watching GSU next season becasue there will be so many questions to be answered. Will the new staff win more games? What will the offense be, and will any changes be successful? Will the defense improve? WIll the Eagles make a deep run in the playoffs? It truly will be interesting.

I agree that GSU should, as an elite program, almost always in the playoff mix at the end of the season. They have earned that reputation with fine play and their fans have developed expecations, right or wrong. My only concern is that expecting a trip to the finals every year and firing coaches for not delivering that type of result year in and year out breeds a lack of consistency and stability that will only ensure rollercoaster ride of ups and downs.

Maybe I am too used to the way Wofford does things. The strength of the Terriers football program under Mike Ayers has been to always work for the long term and to maintain an even keel with a consistent approach and staff. But, maybe that's the way it has to be due to Wofford's smaller fan base and more limited cash flow. After all, GSU has more students on campus than Wofford has living alumni.

Thanks for the great discussion and I look forward to chatting with you more about thes eissue as next season approaches.
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Postby PX on Wed Dec 28, 2005 9:29 am

Eyes of Old Main wrote:JP,

Thanks for the reply. I agree that all of I-AA will be watching GSU next season becasue there will be so many questions to be answered. Will the new staff win more games? What will the offense be, and will any changes be successful? Will the defense improve? WIll the Eagles make a deep run in the playoffs? It truly will be interesting.

I agree that GSU should, as an elite program, almost always in the playoff mix at the end of the season. They have earned that reputation with fine play and their fans have developed expecations, right or wrong. My only concern is that expecting a trip to the finals every year and firing coaches for not delivering that type of result year in and year out breeds a lack of consistency and stability that will only ensure rollercoaster ride of ups and downs.

Maybe I am too used to the way Wofford does things. The strength of the Terriers football program under Mike Ayers has been to always work for the long term and to maintain an even keel with a consistent approach and staff. But, maybe that's the way it has to be due to Wofford's smaller fan base and more limited cash flow. After all, GSU has more students on campus than Wofford has living alumni.

Thanks for the great discussion and I look forward to chatting with you more about thes eissue as next season approaches.




Eyes of Old Main:

I think at my age my "long term" might well be your "short term"... If I have to wait too long either I'll be too senile to care, or I'll be toes up and room temperture... I've GOT to hope for a quick "fix"..

Hopefully I'll be back here next season to offer my personal perspective on subjects of which I have little practical knowledge. I never let a lack of knowledge get in the way of offering my opinion on anything.

Visit our TSC forum when you have time. You will find a whole bunch of GSU Eagle fans even more opinionated than myself. I'm probably a "middle of the roader" in our rabid bunch of armchair quarterbacks......

Best Wishes, and Happy New Year to you personally and the Wofford Terrier family in general...

JP :D
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Postby Terriertime on Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:29 pm

Well PX, I think I was right. GSU hired the MTSU OC, and guess what? He likes to spread it around and throw it. Say good-bye the the triple option, I hate to say I told you so. Also, they hired the GA from UGA (Beckles), I guess my sources were pretty good after all.
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Postby PX on Wed Jan 04, 2006 10:04 pm

Terriertime wrote:Well PX, I think I was right. GSU hired the MTSU OC, and guess what? He likes to spread it around and throw it. Say good-bye the the triple option, I hate to say I told you so. Also, they hired the GA from UGA (Beckles), I guess my sources were pretty good after all.


Well, what can I say? I'm just an airchair quarterback who has zero sources about anything. (altho I do know a good source for fiber & zoloft)

If our new coach comes out with a new offense and wins then he'll be praised as the greatest thing since sliced bread... Except for a few diehard 3/0 folks the only thing you'll see at GSU is smiles and people saying "I told you we needed to get rid of the 3/0"!

On the other hand if he does not have immediate and continual success he'll be mocked for dropping the "famous" 3/0 against all advice and history of success and there will be a "for sale" sign in his yard very quickly.

As for me personally, I just like watching the 3/0, spread, whatever, and I enjoy our team having a different offense than most other teams. BUT, if a change brings us back to Chattnooga, I can jump on the new offense bandwagon as quickly as the next..

I AM glad for the coaching change. Coach Sewak, while apparently a very nice person, just didn't have the killer instinct or something. He was tentative in his play calling, and when the games got close he played not to lose as oppose to playing to win. I think the new coach will bring a new level of competence in several areas, and I honestly expect our Eagles to be a very good team next year.

We'll just have to all sit back and endure all of the "other" sports until next football season rolls around. You'll know if GSU made a faux pax with the coaching change or not about the same time I do.

When all is said and done, I'm much more concerned about a good bm or Dr's visit where he doesn't say "gotcha living will" made up yet?

Hopefully I'll be back here next season all smiles and happiness about the "improved" Eagles under our new coaches. Or, you are always welcome to come over to TSC and visit our house.

Best Wishes,

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Postby BestOfBreed on Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:02 am

It was announced in the last couple of days that Alex Mortensen is definitely transferring from Arkansas to GSU so it looks like they have their new QB. Web rumor mills say former Florida and Oregon State RB Jimtavis Walker just enrolled too.
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Postby BestOfBreed on Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:46 am

Turns out Mortensen changed his mind after arriving on the GSU campus.
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Postby BossTerrier on Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:41 pm

I would turn around too.

A dry county where the best restaurant is Ryan's...not exactly the way I'd want to spend my college days.
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Postby gofurman on Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:57 pm

BestOfBreed wrote:Turns out Mortensen changed his mind after arriving on the GSU campus.


is mortensen not coming???
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Postby BestOfBreed on Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:27 pm

gofurman wrote:
BestOfBreed wrote:Turns out Mortensen changed his mind after arriving on the GSU campus.


is mortensen not coming???


I think he's headed back to Arkansas maybe. VanGorder issued a press release saying Mortensen had changed his mind about enrolling at GSU.
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