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Close loss to Valpo

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:58 am
by lawdog

Re: Close loss to Valpo

PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:53 pm
by DiamondTerrier
The loss to Valpo was a hard one to take. No way we should have loss this game. This game is where coaching completely took us out of the game. Poor game management and positioning cost us. The dropped somewhat routine fly ball in the 7th was a back breaker. Catch that fly ball and extra innings never take place. RF has to be addressed. We have too many outfielders sitting on the bench who can effectively play the position. You can't play a player just to try and help his draft status at the risk of costing the team, plus he will not be drafted as an outfielder. Yes, he hit 2 homeruns. He is our DH and at that position he can help us win ballgames. The Hyman kid last year showed what he can do, running down fly balls and has a arm second to none. He had 4 outfield assists while only starting 6 games and is said to be the fastest player on the team. This is where poor coaching comes in. Please coach, help us win games and not take us out of the games by poor positioning. Sorry for the rant. It's just so frustrating!

Re: Close loss to Valpo

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 12:33 am
by dialing8
DiamondTerrier wrote: We have too many outfielders sitting on the bench who can effectively play the position. You can't play a player just to try and help his draft status at the risk of costing the team, plus he will not be drafted as an outfielder. The Hyman kid last year showed what he can do, running down fly balls and has a arm second to none. He had 4 outfield assists while only starting 6 games and is said to be the fastest player on the team. !


Well let's set the record straight. First we are in D1 baseball now. The high school stats are out the window. All these kids were high school stars. It is a little harder to play at this level than it looks. I don't think this fielder is being played to help his draft status at all. He might be the best option when the coach looks at all 8 starting position players. Coach has a little more ability to play left hander or right handed DHs in this lineup.
If you came to a game and knew anything you would know that Hyman is injured. He took a bad hop to the eye on this piece of crap infield that is better suited for parking 18 wheelers on than fielding ground balls on. The kid has some unresolved bleeding to the eye. He will be out for another week or so.
By the way, Hyman is fast, but I'll place my bet on Pelt! I think he is the fastest.
Come watch some games and quit talking about stuff you might not be ready to back up with facts.

Re: Close loss to Valpo

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:00 pm
by DiamondTerrier
First of all Dialing8, we agree on most of the things stated so far. The part where we disagree is the liability of the right fielders arm strength. That is where I think my statements are backed up by facts. The arm strength fact is something you can't hide, and RF is usually where you place your strongest arm. His arm is not nearly as strong as it use to be before his surgery. That was demonstrated on several plays this weekend. That will become a liability especially when we get into conference play. Those teams will have scouting reports on us and use it against us. That was the main point I was trying to make. We do have enough outfielders to cover that position. The Pelt kid you mentioned is also a prime candidate. He may very well be faster than Hyman. I was going by what some his teammates have stated. Yes, Hyman is injured but he wasn't the first 6 games but may be cleared on Friday to return to play after visiting the doctor. When I stated that Doyle was being playing because of improving his draft status, that was based on the fact that straight out DH's aren't usually drafted. Which could be to his advantage not to get drafted and try and sign with a team that might give him a better chance of advancing through the minors. Nothing against Doyle, he is one of the two best players we have. Face it, Doyle can flat out hit a baseball. He hit 2 no-doubters on Sunday. Make a mistake with a fast ball and he will lose it in a hurry. I have been to 10 of the 11 games so far, so I have seen what is taking place on the field. Now as far as the field goes. I agree totally it is a poor excuse for a field as far as the infield goes. The players hate it. It may look nice from the stands but the infield surface is harder than I-85 and I-85 is smoother also. Have you seen some of the bad hops it has produced this year and previous years? Just ask Hyman about the bad hops. In the past some the coaches have tried to soften it up by watering it heavily before games only to get chastised for doing so by the groundskeeper. That was witnessed by many last year before a game. Word is that he wants it hard so there is less upkeep and he doesn't have to do as much work on it and that is a joke. That is something that could and should be able to be taken care of by the coach. Our players actually bragged on the infield at PC saying it was far nicer than ours. To me, saying PC has anything nicer than us is a slap in the face. So Dialing, actually we are on the same page for the most part. We both love Wofford baseball and we want the best for our school and our players. GO TERRIERS!

Re: Close loss to Valpo

PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:47 pm
by Actualfan11
I agree the RF is not doing us any favors out there, personally I hope he gets drafted. However as someone with baseball knowledge his play in the outfield is not proving anything to scouts and his arm is hurting the pitching staff and therefore the team.

Re: Close loss to Valpo

PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:25 am
by Ruckus
What happened to the players and coaches taking care of the field? We used to take great pride in the condition of the field (particularly the infield) because we raked, watered, and graded ourselves. Sometimes change is not a good thing.

Re: Close loss to Valpo

PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:25 am
by BossTerrier
I have no idea about the infield situation but I'll tell you one thing: If Mike Ayers was not happy with the football field that grass would be relaid so fast your head would spin, and the groundskeeper would probably cut that stuff by hand to boot, just so he wouldn't get karate chopped in the face.

Coach "I" needs to man up.

Re: Close loss to Valpo

PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:37 pm
by american gentleman
Good or bad, both teams play on the same field so the disadvantage should be the same for both teams with some advantage to the home team because it is their practice field.

Re: Close loss to Valpo

PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:16 pm
by lawdog

Re: Close loss to Valpo

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:39 am
by woffordgrad94
I want to be positive...I really do. But sometimes, following this team just gets downright depressing. We have lost to Valparaiso, PC, and now G-W, not exatly a murderer's row there. I know it's early, I know it's non-conference and all the other cliches, but that still tells me we are likely in big trouble come SoCon time. But honestly, anyone reading this board already knew that anyway...it's not like it isn't a yearly ritual now. Baseball is the only thing I miss about being D-2...those Mark Line teams were much more fun to follow, and I have fond memories of quaint old Law Field.

Re: Close loss to Valpo

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 9:58 am
by Ruckus
It literally makes this old Terrier want to puke. Helpless, frustrated, angry, sympathetic......I go through a whole range of emotions.

Re: Close loss to Valpo

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:36 pm
by Natural
A bunch of very fine young men are working hard at baseball, studying, attending class at a difficult academic institution and many of them are making outstanding grades. With the occasional exception of a few who have redshirted and choose to extend their studies to five years so they can finish their eligibility, they will all graduate in four years. I cannot tell you how many of my friends are shocked when I tell them my son is one of those who will graduate in four years with a degree from Wofford after balancing his studies with the obligations of being an NCAA athlete. Many kids nowadays do not achieve a degree in four years from easier schools WITHOUT playing a sport. We should all be very proud and thankful for these high quality young men.

So....what makes ME "want to puke" is when "old Terriers" criticize them. Grow up and spend your time criticizing professional athletes if you want, but layoff these outstanding amateur young men. They will make all Terriers proud in many, many ways for years to come. And that is what really counts.

Re: Close loss to Valpo

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 2:51 pm
by BigJohn94
I agree wholeheartedly with your premise, Natural. But I will add if we are just going to continue to go thru the motions, I'd rather get rid ofthe sport. We can be competitive and still produce fine young men.

Re: Close loss to Valpo

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 3:13 pm
by BGTerrier
Natural,
No one on here is taking shots at players, because most understand the commitment required to play a sport at Wofford. Most of the problems are with the program in general, whether that's the lack of funding, coaching, playing surface, etc. One of the few really good things about the Wofford program is the players, which you outlined very well. I know first hand the time and effort required to play baseball at Wofford, and it's a shame that commitment hasn't resulted in more success for the program.

Re: Close loss to Valpo

PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2012 4:46 pm
by Ruckus
Natural -
You are way off base and misconstrue my motivation and opinions on the subject of our program. More importantly, you have absolutely no evidence to support your attack on me. You are WAY out of line. Quite frankly, you owe me a BIG apology whether you realize it or are man enough to admit it or not. I have never criticized any player, past or present. I challenge you to go back and pull every single post I have ever put on this board and show where I have even come close to doing that. Repeatedly, I have argued the baseball team is one of, if not THE hardest working team on campus; filled with good smart kids several of whom I have gotten to know personally over the years since I left. I have expressed my frustration with the administration and coaching staff but even then I have been very careful about the criticism I levy against any one person or group. I was critical of the hiring decision in '07 (and still am in some ways, probably always will be) but I have never once called out a single player nor criticized/faulted players....ever. I have expressed my concern over what I perceive to be a lack of certain fundamentals, especially defensively, but I have never openly criticized them. I have repeatedly said that we have more talent than what our record typically reflects, that I am always pleasantly surpised when I watch us play at how many kids are very talented, and that my support is always with the kids busting their cans to play and rep the school. And I put my money where my mouth is and openly support the team financially every year. Have YOU written the team checks every year for 20 plus years? Are YOU a dues paying member of the Terrier Club? Did YOU write a check to help build the new baseball field? Are YOU on the Terrier Club board trying desperately to find ways to get more money put into the program? How many times have YOU met with the current admin to try to find ways to support the team and fund scholarships? Because I have done every one those things I just listed. And quite frankly because I invested 4 years of my life into the program as a player, I have an absolute right to express my frustration over what I perceive as the admin turning their backs on our/MY program and the program underperforming because of it. And all of this, WITHOUT HAVING A CHILD ON THE TEAM.
I want to puke, not because we win or lose, but because I know we could do better, much much better in supporting the program that many of us care so much about; we could do better if we had a better coach (BTW - I have nothing against TI and like him personally); and we could do better if we could somehow play better baseball, notice I didn't say more talented.
In your poorly phrased and unfounded attempt to mock me and those who played in my era, I realize you are only defending your son which is admirable despite your misapprehending and misconstruing my post and my motivation behind it. I wish him and the players nothing but the best, and fully agree with you that they are getting great educations; they represent their school, families, and selves well; and will be successful in whatever they choose to do later in life. But that's not the reason we have varsity athletic teams. While wins and losses are not the bottom line and shouldn't be, it is not unreasonable to expect comptetiveness and better yet, our admin to support the teams we field so they can be successful or competitive at least, whether it is funding the program or hiring the coach or taking care of the infield. We currently don't have that right now at Wofford with regard to our baseball program. It doesn't and shouldn't take away from the effort and scrifices the players make, but it is the truth. And THAT is what gets under my skin.
Save your righteous indignation and passive aggressive attempts to put down my athletic career and those of my era. Instead, keep writing checks to support this program long after your son has graduated; or better yet join the rest of us who are beating our heads against the wall trying to effect change so future Terriers have a better chance to be successful on the field and enjoy their careers as much as some of us did.
To everyone else - Sorry for the long post. This is personal for me. It touched a nerve.