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Men's basketball should be the #1 proirity-over football

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 4:56 pm
by woffordgrad94
Given football's popularity, this post might have some dissention and that's fine. But here's the way I see it. We compete at the highest level in hoops, unlike in football where we are FCS or "1-AA" as I still see it. Making the NCAA tournament (which we have done 4 times) and succeeding in it (which we have yet to do) is a much better way to earn athletic monies and also invaluable national attention than playing in FCS playoff games. What did making the FCS semifinals against Delaware really do for us compared to our NCAA tourney trips? Everyone watches the NCAA tourney, but few watch the FCS football playoffs. That is why I am so thrilled over the Jerry Richardson Indoor Stadium and our continued competitiveness in basketball- we have another fairly legitimate shot to make the NCAAs again this year. We won't be the favorite, but that doesn't always matter. I know most of you love football, but we play smalltime football and bigtime basketball. I would spend money freely on hoops first and foremost. Then baseball second. They need it, and making the NCAA baseball tourney to me is still a bigger deal than FCS football playoffs. Football is third, especially if you're going to run the fullback 70% of the time. I like football, but this is just the way I feel. Let me know if you think I'm way off base, because I'd like to see the reasoning as to why you think I am.

Re: Men's basketball should be the #1 proirity-over football

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:01 pm
by Eyes of Old Main
The assessment of the pecking order for attention is valid. Men's basketball gets the most attention and has the most potential for revenue. Football at the FCS level cannot compete on any level financially or exposure-wise with basketball. Baseball is ascending in media coverage, but is still a niche sport. I don't think we are at a point yet where participation in the baseball tournament would yield Wofford substantially more coverage than participating in the soccer tournament. That's my perception of the lay of the land nationally.

Now, does the lay of the land nationally translate to the lay of the land at Wofford? I would say it does more now than it did a few years ago. Football has a cultural following at Wofford. It is part of the fabric of the Wofford community in a way that men's basketball has not yet realized. Does that mean that men's basketball couldn't rival or surpass football in terms of focus from Terrier fans? Not at all. But I think that only happens with continued success and years of student buy-in to the program that translates to alumni buy-in down the road.

From where participation in men's basketball was 20 years ago to where it is today is night and day. If that trajectory continues, then perhaps Wofford becomes a men's basketball first program, but I don't think we are there quite yet. The JRIS will help that because it will project a better atmosphere than our current facility. Increased budget for recruiting and promotion will bring more great players to Wofford and introduce the community to them. In 20 more years, then maybe things are different.

Part of this is also the stature that Terrier football has developed within the Wofford community. Coach Ayers' long tenure and the results our teams have enjoyed make it easy to be a fan. In 20 years, someone else will be patrolling our sidelines and if the leadership of the football program is a revolving door and the continuity we have had is no longer there then perceptions will change.

Now, back to the original point. Why should football be the primary focus? I would say that it should remain the focus so long as the supporters want it that way, but men's basketball should be given as many resources as it needs to remain strong. I do not favor the Davidson method at all. I want Wofford to try to win in every sport it competes in. Are we going to build a NDSU-style dynasty? Probably not. But can we be competitive in football? Absolutely. Can we also be successful in men's basketball? I believe so, but continued success will take more resources.

Re: Men's basketball should be the #1 proirity-over football

PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:13 pm
by woffordgrad94
Great post Eyes. I am definitely not in favor of playing fake football like Davidson. I'd rather not even have it than do that- it would be going too far. I am all for fielding a scholarship 1-AA football team. I just think D-1 basketball gets the Wofford name out there more so we should try to ensure we stay competitive in it all costs- and it's actually easier for a small school like Wofford to compete in basketball (and baseball) than football, which requires many more scholarships, depth, and good players. Baseball definitely still needs more funding, but that's really a dead horse topic. But yes, South Carolina is still a football first state and that isn't likely to change soon. So we have to keep football competitive (which are are kinda, sorta still managing to do I guess-barely) to keep the fans and alumni happy.

Re: Men's basketball should be the #1 proirity-over football

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:52 pm
by Ruckus
I fail to see why we can't be successful in both and why we have to choose one over the other.
Of all things that our little school stands for and means, aptitude and success at more than one subject is one of the most important.
Go Terriers! Conquer and prevail!

Re: Men's basketball should be the #1 proirity-over football

PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:26 pm
by walliver
The new arena is being paid for by a football alumnus. We have a lot of football alumni who have supported the college and its athletic programs. Our poorest attended home football games are usually better attended than our best attended basketball games.

It is not an either one or the other thing.

Long-term, our best success will likely be basketball, but football, especially in the South, is a different animal. A football game is a social event with tailgating and partying.

There is no reason we can't do both.

Re: Men's basketball should be the #1 proirity-over football

PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2016 8:43 pm
by Loyalterrier
No reason why we can't be successful in both. IMHO right now it seems to me that things are looking up for both sports for various reasons. Just because we have had three seasons now that were not the usual Wofford way in football does not mean that it will continue. I am not saying this year we will have a banner year. It could be a similar season. But it could be a banner year too. However I am thinking long term that we have a lot to look forward to and that might include this season. When I say that I am talking about football but I will also include basketball in that too. So to sum up both sports should be on equal footing. Mark my words : In a few years the Terriers will be contenders in more sports - especially men's basketball, volleyball and football - than any time in the past.

GO TERRIERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Men's basketball should be the #1 proirity-over football

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 10:37 am
by boulder3m
After Ainsley Earhardt was named co-anchor of Fox and Friends I went to refresh myself on when her dad was coach. I read online an article written when he coached his last game for Wofford, and the theme was how lost Wofford was in the sports world, and that we would never be representative, let alone successful, in basketball. Wow, how things changed. A little later Danny Morrison came in and we were on a path toward DII, and then DI, and then where we are today. I think it is easy to forget how much has changed in Wofford Athletics over the years that posters on this site have known it. With very few exceptions, the sports programs at Wofford are in fantastic shape with almost every one on an upward trajectory. We are adding at least one sport and will probably streamline even more in the future. We have some of the finest facilities at our level, and the Jerry Richardson Indoor Stadium will be a tremendous leap forward. Wofford was just named the best college in South Carolina. Man, how far we have come and great the future looks. Proud to be a Terrier.

Re: Men's basketball should be the #1 proirity-over football

PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2016 12:18 pm
by Ruckus
I agree that in a lot of ways we are at a peak of our athletic competitiveness but we are still very underfunded in most areas of our general athletic budget. Our improved facilities can almost be exclusively attributed to a precious few alums/donors. Yet, despite these challenges we have found a way to succeed.
In 1985, I was in a team meeting with other freshmen football players and Danny Morrison. We almost laughed out loud when he said we would be D2 by the time we graduated and within 10 years of that we would be competing on the D1 level. He beat that prediction by 3 years.
Our head football and basketball coaches and head athletic staff have well over 100 years of tenure at WoCo. That is unprecedented in the current college sports landscape. That same landscape has experienced a gargantuan shift over the last 20 years in terms of financial and budgetary changes with the influx of huge TV revenues as well as an arms race in facilities and amenities. I believe that landscape will continue to shift and at some point contract affecting a majority of programs who are not blessed to be in the power 5 conferences (and even then some in those conferences will be affected). As long as Wofford stays sound in its budgeting and basic financial philosophies, it should be able to ride the peaks and valleys. How our various programs may look in terms of competitiveness may be varied depending on a number of factors.
As long as we have solid, dedicated visionary leaders at all levels, we should be fine. A critical variable will be our ability to hire and retain quality coaches and administrators as the current group ages into retirement.