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Re: C of C Investigation

Postby woffordgrad94 on Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:36 pm

Thank goodness! Mike, you made the right decision! Now he can just get ready for the season without any outside distractions. It's going to be a great year. And I'll GUARANTEE right now that we will win more games than the College of Charleston even if we happen to fall short of the Big Dance!
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Re: C of C Investigation

Postby Hobo on Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:39 pm

Ruckus wrote:{snip}
I don't what to do next: thank our lucky stars MY stayed or fall down in the floor laughing at the CoC house burning down.

Yes!
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Re: C of C Investigation

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Re: C of C Investigation

Postby boulder3m on Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:02 pm

OK, went over to the CofC board and checked out the chatter. Here's my take on the job. I don't think the job was completely defined when MY and AJ were the final choices. I think something changed-most likely the compensation or term or the control of assistants-from first contact to when there was an actual job offered. Both MY and AJ rightly said "no way you are changing the deal" and quickly walked away. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it. They are stuck with their decision to fire their former coach, and probably are very spooked by it. After taking a longer look at the potential cost of litigation and settlement and the cost of a new big time coach, the administration decided to change the offer. They would be much better off waiting and then hire when they know what will happen.
If it sounds fishy then it probably is. I don't know a thing about their finances, but my guess is that they can't afford to play coaches to not coach like USC and Clemson. Anyone got another theory?
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Re: C of C Investigation

Postby Ruckus on Wed Aug 27, 2014 9:06 pm

I have seen chatter about AJ balking at certain terms insisted upon by CoC relating to program control issues.
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Re: C of C Investigation

Postby BigJohn94 on Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:16 pm

The biggest question for CoC is now who do they recommend? Do they go back to the original list for those not recommended the first time, or do they start from square 1?
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Re: C of C Investigation

Postby T-Dog 4 on Wed Aug 27, 2014 10:46 pm

It's tough to say. My guess is that those in their first group of applicants will be too gun shy after the final 2 withdrew their names. Also, word of dysfunction travels fast and this circus act will certainly leave C of C with a stigma that will hamper their search. They may find someone or they may need one of the assistants step in temporarily and then start fresh after the season when hopefully the smoke has cleared?
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Re: C of C Investigation

Postby Eyes of Old Main on Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:37 pm

Wow. All I can say about this for C of C is to quote my 14 year old son who is fond of saying "it sucks to suck". They are now in a real bind.

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Re: C of C Investigation

Postby Eyes of Old Main on Wed Aug 27, 2014 11:43 pm

I am sure the two withdrawals were not coordinated, but I am sure that knowing that an experienced coach like Young was pulling out made Johnson a little nervous. Seeing your primary rival back away from the table would have to make you think they knew something you didn't.
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Re: C of C Investigation

Postby Ruckus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 8:24 am

I know nothing firsthand but I have a different take.
I think MY either was getting antsy because of the time/delay and his players moving in to Wofford (time to pee or get off the pot) or he got word that the job was going to AJ (I tend to favor the latter scenario). I think AJ's decision to back out had nothing to do with MY. I think it had to with the stipulations demanded by CoC in the contract negotiations. I truly believe the job was already AJ's and CoC was set to announce him today in a big presser until they ruffled his feathers in sealing the deal and he said happy trails. Just my speculation.
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Re: C of C Investigation

Postby Eyes of Old Main on Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:05 am

Ruckus, I think your speculation is probably pretty close to the reality of the situation. MY clearly wanted the opportunity, but after awhile, if he wasn't their pick it was time to move on and take care of business with the job he already has and loves. I just think the news of MY's withdrawal may have cast a little more doubt on the deal for AJ although the angle of control probably was the bigger factor.
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Re: C of C Investigation

Postby BigJohn94 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:13 am

I tend to agree. I think no matter who the coach is/was going to be, with all that CoC just went through, the admins wanted to have their hands in the cookie jar (so to speak). No coach wants to not have full control of his/her program, therefore likely the glitch in the negotiations.
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Re: C of C Investigation

Postby walliver on Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:28 am

There are major governance issues at CofC, well beyond the athletic department. There is a strong movement to have a USC/Clemson type institution spitting out doctoral degrees. They first tried to ram through a merger with MUSC which MUSC wanted nothing to do with. They then tried to pass a state law making CofC the "University of Charleston" which stalled in the legislature. They hired McConnell, who has no academic experience other than as a student, in the hopes that his political pull would bring in state money. McConnell, as a life-long politician, takes a long time to make even simple decisions.

We dodged a bullet this year, but it is plain to see that MY is looking to move up, and will likely be gone in a year or two.
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Re: C of C Investigation

Postby T-Dog 4 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:32 am

If that is the case (which I don't doubt for a minute) that dynamic will make it all the more difficult for them to find a coach... especially one with the panache they think their program deserves.
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Re: C of C Investigation

Postby Ruckus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:45 am

This was much more than brief dalliance. MY is gone for sure, probably next year if we make another run this year which is very possible/likely. He is obviously looking to move up to the "right" situation and I can understand that. More power to him. All I ask for is to give us enough time to bring in the right person to replace him.
And here's hoping RJ and co. take particular note from CoC of how NOT to conduct the search and replacement.
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