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Re: Wofford Coaching Search

PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:55 pm
by mudrat43
Does anyone think that those players who just finished the season at WOF couldn't be successful in some other offensive scheme? Do you think that those players were only suited to run the TO? Pleeeze!!! How many times did I read of some sought after QB recruit and his high school passing stats......come on! Or some WR's speed and good hands? Again, it's good coaching, and execution......no matter the scheme!!!

Re: Wofford Coaching Search

PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:56 pm
by lawdog
Agree with Ruckus. Step forward promptly and firmly and show folks we know what we are doing.

Re: Wofford Coaching Search

PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:59 pm
by Oak Grove
I agree 100 percent as well. Dragging this out will be detrimental.

Re: Wofford Coaching Search

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:02 am
by mudrat43
Yeah, lets take that ole reliable DC-3 thru the skies safe and sound, get half way there and be happy. Don't dare go mach-2 with your hair of fire, and smoke into first place!

Re: Wofford Coaching Search

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:04 am
by Eyes of Old Main
I'm in favor of retaining a run focus. We've been successful with it and we are known for it. It's practically in our DNA at this point. I don't want to lose that identity nor do I want to lose the culture that is in place. Maybe we focus on the option or maybe we alter it a bit. I can see adding some power I or some more complex schemes or even becoming a hurry up run team, but I don't see how we are well served by totally punting our system. We know who we are and we should be very careful before we alter that.

A blue collar, pound the football offense with a punishing defense works for Wofford and while it was before my time and perhaps not totally applicable to the current landscape, didn't Ayers' predecessor try to convert to a passing attack with disastrous results? That's not to say that because something didn't work 30 years ago that it wouldn't work now, but we have the athletes and the experience to be successful with our current set and while I see a valid argument for tweaking that, I don't think we should abandon who we are. Find a guy who can take what we have an tweak it. Become more dynamic, become the next generation of Wofford football, but don't try to become something you are not.

We have been successful because Mike Ayers developed a system and didn't deviate from it for three decades. I'm not naive enough to think our next coach will stay in place for 30 years, but there's no reason to try to keep the same end goal and burn the road map along the way.

Re: Wofford Coaching Search

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:09 am
by lawdog
I agree.

Re: Wofford Coaching Search

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:13 am
by Oak Grove
As I said on an earlier page, I would like to see the new coach in place inside of a week. Otherwise, our recruiting is going to suffer.

I hate to say it, but I don't have a lot of confidence in RJ's ability to handle this hire, especially after reading TS's latest article.

Re: Wofford Coaching Search

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:14 am
by Ruckus
I am NOT saying pull the trigger on some guy on staff just because he is there to make a quick decision. I am saying there should already be a short list of names plus whoever might express interest and we should be moving quickly (within 30 days easily) to make the call. It ain’t that hard....unless of course you are caught completely unprepared. A good AD would have already thought about all this and put an action plan together.
Again, I think some guys on staff and past staff should get looks but I am ok going outside the tree too because quite frankly the tree is pretty thin and it has only a few branches.

Re: Wofford Coaching Search

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:14 am
by lawdog
Back in the late 60s Wofford was running the same offenses as everyone else, with mediocre results. Then we became the first team East of the Mississippi to run the wishbone, and won 20 straight. Our wishbone now is evolved from the one then, but it is getting great results for us.

Re: Wofford Coaching Search

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:14 am
by Eyes of Old Main
I agree if the national search is a sham like the baseball one was. I'm thinking more along the lines of develop a list of names, reach out, see who's interested and evaluate that against what we have in house. That shouldn't take two months. A few calls to gather information and names and then a few calls to the names that are uncovered is all we need. Call people we know. See if Paul Johnson or Jeff Monken have a recommendation. Brian Bohannon is working out pretty well at Kennesaw. For that matter, call Bohannon himself.

This needs to be swift. The more I think about it the more I would revise my previous mid-January timeline in favor of a before New year's timeline.

Re: Wofford Coaching Search

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:17 am
by WocoSix
So I guess hiring WL who is entering his 30+ year of coaching is a bright idea. In five years we will be having this same discussion when he wants to retire. When I say a different offense I don't mean a throw it 60 times a game offense. Watching CAA games, is closer to what I am used to seeing on Sundays. A balanced offense with multiple formations and motion. Power run game with play-action passing and occasional 15 - 20 yard throw downfield. Not the Triple-Reverse-Throwback-Motion-Under-Fake-Toss-Handoff-throwback to QB pass on third and long. You can keep Read-Option Principals without having to throw entire system out

Re: Wofford Coaching Search

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:22 am
by lawdog
If WL does a good job for five years and hangs it up, what’s wrong with appointing his successor after five years? We would have good candidates.

Re: Wofford Coaching Search

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:24 am
by lawdog
Odds are WL would be hungry and do a good job. If Ayers thinks so, that is good enough for me; he has been there and spent hundreds of hours and knows the details.

Re: Wofford Coaching Search

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:45 am
by Eyes of Old Main
If Coach Lang wants to be considered then I'm sure he has let Richard Johnson know. This is kind of like when Dean Smith retired and UNC-CH hired long time assistant Bill Guthridge. Sort of a combination lifetime achievement and caretaker hire.

Maybe that's what Wofford needs here if we want to keep the status quo, but even with that, you run the risk of multiple assistants deciding to move on whether they feel passed over or just want a change of scenery. There is no scenario here where someone gets hired and everyone else stays in place like nothing happened. The fact that we are up in arms about this is simultaneously a testament to the stability we've had and a lack of familiarity with what happens after a coaching change. No matter who is hired, we will be lucky to start next season with half the staff we currently have. After thinking about this, I expect us to take a little bit of a step back. Maybe just a quarter or half step, though, but we could end up like Chattanooga and take 2/3 of a season to turn the corner on the new program. The question is like has been said previously. Are we looking for a comfortable, lower risk, short term hire or are we looking for a little bit higher risk, higher reward deal?

I believe we need someone with a vision of a long range commitment of say 10 years. If Coach Lang is in for that then I say consider him without reservation. If not, then we can't be afraid to move on. Coach Lang is a Wofford guy, is talented and has put in his time, but the head coach position isn't necessarily a seniority driven position. It also bears considering that if he is not chosen that he will probably move on to another opportunity himself which would be reasonable.

Wofford has been strong in large part due to coaching consistency so it is reasonable to seek that with this hire. That doesn't mean hire the youngest guy available, but you can't have consistency if you are back in the same boat in five years. Wofford needs a leader capable of forging his own way forward using the foundation we have. This can't end up like Georgia Southern did with Brian Van Gorder (aka Mr. "There is no option").

I guess my point here is that this will not be smooth no matter how Richard Johnson cuts it and I suspect that is why the lack on an immediate hire. I'm anxious for a choice, but I sure would not want to be in the shoes of those who will be tasked with making it or being responsible for the results down the line.

Re: Wofford Coaching Search

PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 2:58 am
by Peachy Carnahan
YT...I love it..."Option Skeptical"...Y,T,O,S,

I'm going to use that term from now on. As a matter a fact, I may be "Triggered" if someone uses a more derogatory term for our beloved offensive scheme. Can I use the term "Offensive Scheme" or will that be too offensive?