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Big South

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 5:28 am
by WoCo65
My $.02.....
I watched Coastal vs Liberty last night and couldn't help but compare our program to theirs. Unfortunately, my assessment is that their programs are head and shoulders above ours right now primarily on a coaching level. Play calling was timely and creative. Clock management was never an issue. Don't believe I saw one timeout used because they couldn't get a play in or personnel substituted on time. SMH thinking of what could have been this year..... #-o
I do hope that our kids get to cut loose this final game of the season and play with abandon. I read this week's article on Weimer and can't help but wonder why in the world did he return for a 5th year? A part of me thinks that he should get the nod to start because he is a Sr and this would be his last game ever to play as a Terrier and his chance to show the coaches what might have been.

Re: Big South

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:10 am
by Ruckus
Sadly, I don't think it really is going to matter.
We have been surpassed by a lot of programs.
And there are lots of reasons why.

Re: Big South

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:21 am
by WocoSix
With the departure of CCU from the Big South, who would the replacement program be? Liberty is trying its hardest to leave. I think the SoCon is in need of a team or 2 but I think Liberty is looking to FBS. Only problem is FBS is not looking to them. Honestly, I think CSU and LU would be great additions but but they would struggle in the SoCon.

Re: Big South

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 11:43 am
by walliver
WocoSix wrote:With the departure of CCU from the Big South, who would the replacement program be? Liberty is trying its hardest to leave. I think the SoCon is in need of a team or 2 but I think Liberty is looking to FBS. Only problem is FBS is not looking to them. Honestly, I think CSU and LU would be great additions but but they would struggle in the SoCon.


Liberty brings a lot of issues for the SoCon and I doubt they would be seriously considered. 1) They are begging for FBS 2) They have an extensive on-line presence 3) Academics are not a priority, and 4) politics

CSU has very poor facilities, we already have a team in Charleston, and academics would hurt them.

Gardner Webb has geographic and academic issues.

PC has geographic and competitive issues.

Kennesaw might have some interest, but I suspect FBS is their long-term goal.

Re: Big South

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:14 pm
by WocoSix
What do we assume Wofford's long term goals are? Do we want championship level football? Are we content with just touting academic prowess? Or do we just need to join the ivy league?

I thought the whole purpose of us playing D1 football was to field teams that can compete with anyone and to grow the Wofford brand. Seems like most convos I have with our fanbase always ends with excuses for why we cant recruit the same type academic risk athletes like UTC, WCU, or Cid. Well if we are going to be hamstrung with admissions and coaching salaries, we may need to get use to be bottom of the SoCon.

Re: Big South

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:31 pm
by Ruckus
I for one believe we can compete and succeed in football with those very same challenges (as well as others not listed).
We just need to be very creative and aggressive in how we go about it.
The dog isn't dead....

Re: Big South

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 2:44 pm
by WocoSix
I agree we can compete ruckus. Problem comes when our school is in a conference where other schools are not held to the same standard. I would like to see how many marginal academic prospects we turned away that ended up on a Big South or lesser standard SoCon school. Love Wofford and what it stands for, but would like to see the playing field even.As for coaching, we have loss some talented men because of salaries. How do we overcome these issues?

Re: Big South

PostPosted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 3:29 pm
by Ruckus
I don't want to play in conference where all the members look like us. I like playing (and beating) schools where they have seemingly less obstacles and more advantages to winning. It makes it that much more special when we succeed and it raises the expectations and standards of our own programs.
I agree our losing coaches has had anegative effect on our program but all successful programs at our level go through it. It is a sign of respect. How do we deal with it? Find some way to pay hem more and continue to develop good young coaching talent.
What we are talking about is simply a firm commitment by the school and alums to being successful. It does take more money but that is only one of the necessities: leadership on all fronts is just as important.

Re: Big South

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:15 am
by walliver
The key for our conference ideal is a balance.

The Big South in football next year will have:
3 Baptist schools
1 Presbyterian school.
One geographic outlier (Monmouth)
and a large state university (Kennesaw)

The SoCon next year will have:
2 Baptist schools, a former Baptist school, and us.
3 medium sized public schools (4 if you count UNCG)
and 2 military schools which sort of fall in the middle.

I don't see us leaving the SoCon anytime soon, because there is really nowhere else to go. The Big South is not a good fit for football or basketball. We're too small for the CAA to want us, and travel expenses would skyrocket if we did join (things haven't worked out well for CofC). Going to non-scholarship football in the Pioneer League would not be particularly popular among fans, and even them, where would basketball go? The A-Sun is not a good fit, and we are not yet at the A-10 level.

To me, the key challenges with SoCon additions (and I see no need to add unless someone leaves) is to maintain the public/private balance, reasonable academic standards, and geographic diversity while controlling costs.

One of the reasons given for the move from D2 to D1 was increased name recognition outside of South Carolina. Students at a high school college fair are more likely to visit the Wofford table if they recognize the name. Athletic events at Samford, Mercer, Chatty, ETSU, and VMI provide name recognition in Alabama, Middle Georgia, East Tennessee and Virginia and help with academic recruiting. Any future additions to the SoCon should be geared to expand our brand. Adding PC, CSU, GW, or USC-Upstate doesn't do that. I don't want any new non-football members, and right now don't see any particularly attractive football schools that would be good long-term fits.

Re: Big South

PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:56 am
by Ruckus
The college athletic scene is so fluid right now it's scary. The power 5 conferences are setting the rules of he road and controlling he money flow (and outflow). Saw yesterday where USC is pitching a $50 MM addition/renovation to Williams Brice. Crazy. When will money run out?
Not all mid major schools can make that jump as the price tag goes up. Schools like UAB, Troy, Wake Forest are going to be in a fix. A big realignment is coming at some point.