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Did anyone read the Herald Journal today?

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:27 pm
by Terriertime
Todd gave some great coverage to the Terriers football team in the paper today. He discussed the season, and prospects for next year. I thought he gave a pretty fair assessment. However, if you read the article online, you might have noticed all the negative responses about Wofford and Coach Ayers at the bottom of the page. This completely amazed me. People were saying you can't win a National Championship with our offense, and that we have won in spite of his coaching the last couple of years. Are you kidding me? Coach Ayers is Wofford Football. When he arrived in 1989, Wofford was a 1-10 NAIA team with over 35 players on academic probation. Since that time, he has successfully guided the Terriers all the way to a successful 1-AA program with many restrictions such as very tough academics and limited scholarships. Also, last semester there were around 40 players who made a 3.0 GPA, DURING THE SEASON. So, we're winning in the classroom also. He has done an awesome job. As far as not being able to win a National Championship with the offesnse, I say that is ridiculous. If we can run the table in the Southern Conference and come within a few points of a National Title, we can win the whole thing. The bottom line is it is tough for any private school to go all the way (our neighbors from Greeneville are the only private school to have ever done it). And as far as questionable coaching decisions and putting our players in bad situations, I love it. It is no secret we don't have the best talent in the league; however, going for it on fourth down and other things like that give us a better chance to compete. Sorry such a long post, but I think Coach Ayers is awesome, and couldn't believe some people were bashing him. I wanted to state that Terriertime thinks Coach Ayers is Awesome, and I appreciate everything our staff does for the college.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:48 pm
by fgs44
As someone who once played football at Wofford(a long time ago), and someone who has followed the program for a long time as a participant in the Terrier Club, I wholeheartedly agree with everything that you said. I have'nt read all the comments, but I did read the comment from the respondent about " not being able to win a NC with a triple option, or Wofford's variation of it. That is a not too surprising comment that is typical of fans that think because they spend several hours per week during football season watching games that they have the expertise to make those kinds of offerings. Thats part of being a fan. Two years ago, Wofford ran the table in the SoCon, and eventually lost in the play-offs to a team that won the NC-----The whole football I-AA world has'nt changed in two seasons----Last year the App State fans were ready to run Jerry Moore out of town---Now he's the genius they did'nt know they had---Two seasons ago, Furman was 6/5. What a difference a couple of years can make for Bobby Lamb-----Mike Ayers, and his staff have done an unbelievable job, and will continue to succeed---Will they win a NC? Who knows---But I believe that Mike Ayers gives our school the best opportunity to do it---I also think our offense gives a lot of people fits----It ain't easy to prepare for it if you have'nt seen it---I think we have an edge that given the right set of circumstances and players give us a better chance to win one---
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:37 pm
by BestOfBreed
I read the two articles and listened to the audio at work today. Great stuff. Todd Shanesy and the rest of the Herald do an excellent job of covering the Terriers... much better than the Greenville News gives to Furman. I read some of the feedback this afternoon but it looks like there's more now. Oh well, everyone has an opinion. I agree with all of the above. Bottom line, the wingbone gives us a chance to compete. Even with the injuries and ineffectiveness on offense, we still won 6 games this year.

21 days until signing day!

PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:49 am
by Eyes of Old Main
This article definately shows the Hearld Journal's commitment to Wofford football because it would be really easy for them to fill their pages with other stuff right now. They are to be commended for being a better outlet for Wofford info than Wofford's own athletic department generally is, particularly after the departure of Mark Cohen.

As for whether or not a NC can be won at Wofford, I don't really care. The Terrier have proven they can compete at that level. After all, Colgate faired much worse against Delaware in 2003. The point of Wofford's program is not to win NC's at all costs. If that was the case, don't you think Coach Ayers would be loading up on I-A transfers and questionable students like many of the other "elite" programs? To me, it's enough to know that the program is competitive enough to play with most anybody on our level and maintains the standards of class and integrity the Wofford represents in so many other areas.

Titles are a great things for us fans to talk about and a great motivational and teaching tool for the coaches and players, but if the price that must be paid to move from 4th in the league to 1st means lowering standards or shortchanging the "Wofford Way", then I don't think it is worthwhile trade. As things stand now, Wofford has the respect of every team in the conference (maybe not all the fans, but definately all the teams) and is doing things "our" way and on "our" terms and I think that's all any school should ask for.

I want Wofford to win as much as the next guy, but I am unwilling to contribute to turning the football program into the kind of mess that our friends in Statesboro have created. Expectations and titles aside, I would be ashamed if Wofford fired any coach the way GSU just did to Mike Sewak. I guess I understand the motivating factors in that move, but I still think it is ridiculous and would be horrified if the same thing happened within the Terriers program.

PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:02 pm
by gofurman
Eyes of Old Main wrote:This article definately shows the Hearld Journal's commitment to Wofford football because it would be really easy for them to fill their pages with other stuff right now. They are to be commended for being a better outlet for Wofford info than Wofford's own athletic department generally is, particularly after the departure of Mark Cohen.

As for whether or not a NC can be won at Wofford, I don't really care. The Terrier have proven they can compete at that level. After all, Colgate faired much worse against Delaware in 2003. The point of Wofford's program is not to win NC's at all costs. If that was the case, don't you think Coach Ayers would be loading up on I-A transfers and questionable students like many of the other "elite" programs? To me, it's enough to know that the program is competitive enough to play with most anybody on our level and maintains the standards of class and integrity the Wofford represents in so many other areas.

Titles are a great things for us fans to talk about and a great motivational and teaching tool for the coaches and players, but if the price that must be paid to move from 4th in the league to 1st means lowering standards or shortchanging the "Wofford Way", then I don't think it is worthwhile trade. As things stand now, Wofford has the respect of every team in the conference (maybe not all the fans, but definately all the teams) and is doing things "our" way and on "our" terms and I think that's all any school should ask for.

I want Wofford to win as much as the next guy, but I am unwilling to contribute to turning the football program into the kind of mess that our friends in Statesboro have created. Expectations and titles aside, I would be ashamed if Wofford fired any coach the way GSU just did to Mike Sewak. I guess I understand the motivating factors in that move, but I still think it is ridiculous and would be horrified if the same thing happened within the Terriers program.


I am a Furman Fan - obviously - and wanted you to know that I think Ayers does a wonderful job over there...while I may love to beat you guys I certainly respect you and Ayers, etc... the only thing I ever find to criticize with him is not the triple option (that is pure old-school football!) but the fourth and one's he goes for on the Woff 30...but anyway, I came here to tell you I admire him and what you all have done in such a short time...

PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:22 am
by Eyes of Old Main
Thanks for the comments GoFurman. Hopefully in a few years we'll be able to line up a bunch of conference championships like you guys and maybe a NC. Anyway, I'll agree that Coach Ayers' play calling can defy logic sometimes, but, more often than not, things work out.

When it works, it keeps drives alive and helps sustain some of those famous Terrier 7 and 8 minute drives that kill the clock and equalize some of the talent gaps Wofford faces. He also puts an awful lot of trust in his defense to clean things up when it doesn't work, which I read as the ultimate compliment to pay your players. But, I understand why you would say that.

Although, I guess it boils down to personal style and philosophy because I have seen moves made by Coach Lamb that I wouldn't make. But, I can't say much since Lamb and Ayers are making the "big bucks" and I'm just an armchair kind of guy.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:24 am
by fgs44
Eyes of Ol Main, I really like your posts---Agree with all that you've said---You know what defys logic----Mike Ayers going for it on 4th and 5 on the Wofford 26 leading Clemson 14 to 7 -----I could not believe my eyes----However, I know he must have had a good reason---It just was'nt apparent to some of the faithful----My guess is that his reasoning was just as it has been discussed on this board----Trying to give his players an edge---I suppose that if he had made it, it may have kept the drive alive, and if it had resulted in a successful drive--well who knows----Some of my compadres go nuts when he does that, though----However, I really like that mentality---I think it spills over to the players, and more often than not gives them a mental edge that allows them to give that little bit extra when needed----

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:51 pm
by Eyes of Old Main
Thanks for the comments, fgs44. I agree that some of the 4th down calls are unconventional to say the least.

Seems as though I remember a fake punt on something like a 4th and 5 on the Wofford 20 in a game at Newberry sometime around 1993 or 1994. Anyway, you make it and you firmly grasp the momentum, miss it and you are headed down the slippery slope.

As for the Clemson call, all I can guess is that since everyone on the face of the Earth knew Clemson had more talent, depth, and fan support Ayers figured that if he took the chance, made it, and scored again, that Wofford would be up 17-7 or 21-7 with all the momentum and Death Valley so quiet you could hear a pin drop. Besides, what would the Clemson players start feeling seeing the scoreboard? Ends up, it didn't work and Wofford got beat like everyone expected so nothing ventured, nothing gained. We'll never know what the motivation was, but at least we know Coach Ayers is trying to put the Terriers into the best position possible.

Another aspect is the morale deflating characteristic of not stopping your opponent on 4th down. I never played organized football, but I would imagine that giving up 1st downs on 4th down plays could wear an opponent down mentally and maybe make them think about important plays down the stretch. Likewise, it's probably nice to go into a game and have your opponent know that they are going to have to stop you 4 times instead of 3 to kill your drives.